Learn, Make, Learn
Learn, Make, Learn is two product geeks sharing qualitative & quantitative perspectives to help you make, better. Hosted by Ernest Kim and Joachim Groeger.
Episodes
24 episodes
MKBHD, Panels & Pricing
A conversation triggered by MKBHD’s Panels app gets really interesting when we dig into pricing & lessons for people in the business of making products.FOLLOW-UPS – 02:23
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Episode 24
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57:28
Why is Design So Boring? with Nate Grubbs
We dive into our titular question with Nate Grubbs, who, unlike us, is a professional designer with strong views borne of decades of experience across UX, visual & product design.MEET NATE – 01:18THE AGE OF AVERAGE...
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Episode 23
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57:59
Off-the-Cuff: Miele, Snow Peak & Ableton Live
We go off-the-cuff again, sharing product learnings from Miele vacuums, Snow Peak’s modular IGT system & Ableton’s singular vision for music creation.OFF-THE-CUFF – 00:59JOACHIM RECOMMENDS: MIELE C3 VACUUM – 01...
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Episode 22
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45:26
Apple’s iPhone 16 Event: Lessons & Critiques
In another short(er) format episode, we examine Apple’s recent “Glowtime” event. Please do let us know what you think of this new format at LearnMakeLearn@gmail.com or @LearnMakeLearnShow on...
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Episode 21
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49:58
A New Episode Format!
We introduce a new, shorter, more off-the-cuff format focused on recommendations that we hope you’ll enjoy. Also, our apologies for the audio getting a bit crunchy in spots—we’re working hard to improve our audio quality. Please do let us know ...
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Episode 20
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40:09
Generative AI x Product with Anmol Anubhai
Generative AI: step change or snake oil du jour? We enter this mire with Anmol Anubhai as our guide & insight into the future of GenAI x product creation as our destination. Join us for a refreshingly grounded conversation on a topic that’s...
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Episode 19
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1:10:14
The Weight of History
The pressure to repeat history, as in the previous year’s sales for a given product, can be pernicious. We share ideas for unshackling yourself from this weight so that you can avoid, as Marshall McLuhan put it, marching backwards into the futu...
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Episode 18
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1:16:40
The Perils of Fan Service
The concept of fan service, which originated in anime and is now common across media, has pervaded the world of product creation as well. We discuss what it is & why it’s vital to serve your customers without pandering to them.FO...
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Episode 17
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1:02:26
Enough *Is* Enough
When it comes to products and product innovation, in our new era of higher-for-longer interest rates, enough *is* enough.FOLLOW-UPS – 01:23
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Episode 16
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1:09:28
Daniel Kahneman: Lessons & Critiques
Daniel Kahneman, credited as a grandfather of behavioral economics, passed away in March, and we devote this episode to an unfiltered discussion of his legacy through a product lens.KAHNEMAN’S LEGACY: THE BULL CASE – 01:55
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Episode 15
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51:37
Design Thinking: Failure or Fall Guy?
A decade ago, design thinking was all the rage across the corporate world. But, today, it's widely derided as a failed experiment. Is there still a place for design thinking or is it an idea whose time has passed?FOLLOW-UPS – 01:...
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Episode 14
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58:57
Time to Learn
Apologies for our delay this week! In this episode, with the Watches & Wonders show around the corner, we talk watches & the broader lessons we can draw from a product category rooted entirely in emotion.WRIST CHECK – 02:...
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Episode 13
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1:03:24
Should Products be Political?
This week, we tackle a thorny topic: Should products be political? And to be clear, we don't mean brand messaging. Instead, our focus is products, and whether makers should intentionally imbue their products with their politics.FOLLO...
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Episode 12
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56:33
Scenius or Genius?
Musician Brian Eno defined a scenius as “the intelligence of a whole operation or group of people,” in contrast to the classic archetype of the lone genius. We debate scenius vs. genius in the context of product—is one more conducive to innovat...
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Episode 11
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57:51
Can Restomod Culture Go Mainstream?
This week, we talk restomods. It’s a concept born of the automotive world—extending the life of a classic car by modernizing it—but we discuss the potential to apply this idea to categories beyond cars. With sustainability now a must-have in pr...
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Episode 10
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1:07:21
CarPlay or the Highway?
This week, we discuss the tension between integrated in-car UX platforms vs Apple’s CarPlay & Android Auto. When, if ever, does it make sense to give up control of your product experience?FOLLOW-UPS – 02:21
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Episode 9
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1:12:30
WTF is a Product Manager?
This week, we dive into Ernest's career as a product manager/product marketer and discuss what a product manager does, how to sift meaningful insights from the noise, how to enter the field & much more.FOLLOW-UPS – 02:25<...
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Episode 8
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1:09:41
WTF is an Applied Microeconomist?
This week, we dive into Joachim's career as an applied microeconomist. What does an applied microeconomist do, how is it relevant to product innovation, how do you enter the field, and much more!FOLLOW-UPS – 01:43
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Episode 7
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1:09:46
Experimentation in Product Innovation
In this episode, we challenge tech industry dogma around A/B testing & Minimum Viable Products (MVPs), and propose alternatives better suited to today’s post-low interest rate economy.FOLLOW-UPS – 01:41
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Episode 6
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1:08:31
The Perils of Crossing Over from Niche to Mainstream
We dig into the perils of crossing over from niche to mainstream. How can a brand built on a niche product or service successfully expand its appeal? Should this even be an aspiration?FOLLOW-UPS – 01:24
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Episode 5
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46:06
When Values & Opportunity Collide
Ernest & Joachim dive into the dilemma faced when a promising business opportunity conflicts with your own or your company's values. The duo offer perspectives on how to navigate this conflict, including tools you can apply to your day-to-d...
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Episode 4
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38:51
Toolbox: How “Jobs To Be Done” Can Help You Make, Better
Ernest & Joachim share a deep-dive on the jobs to be done approach to customer-centric product & service innovation. They explain what it is & why it matters, share real world examples of jobs-to-be-done in action, and highlight sit...
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Episode 3
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40:36